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  1. In fact, according to the principles of atheism, Hitler should not be blamed. We have no free will according to atheism in its philosophical dimension. However, they are hypocrites as the christians are.

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    • Hitler was not an atheist. He was christian.

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      • getting wet as a baby does not make one a Christian.

        If you read deeply, Hitler was not a Christian, but claimed to be one at the beginning of his political career in order to deceive the people of Germany.

        If you read Eric Metaxes’ book on Deitrich Bonhoffer, the chapter on Nazi theology, he clearly demonstrates that Hitler was not a Christian, and was deceiving the people of Germany, even telling Martin Bormann, Reinhard Heydrich, Alfred Rosenberg, and Heinrich Himmler, (the more radical ones of Hitler’s inner circle) after they were trying to get Hitler to replace Christianity in the churches with a pagan warrior-race / Aryan religion, Hitler told them that they had to win the war first, because to do what they wanted before the time, would have caused the people to turn against Hitler. Sometimes he would laugh at their ideas after they left the room, telling others like Albert Speer and Joseph Goebbels that they (Himmler, Rosenberg, Bormann, and Heydrich) were crazy.

        https://apologeticsandagape.wordpress.com/2016/10/18/hitler-admired-islam/

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      • Sorry Ken. Just getting to this one.
        Getting wet doesn’t make one a christian… agreed. But neither does making an argument make one intelligent or able to honestly consider the evidence contrary to ones own position. Hitler was a Christian, a different brand than you probably, and definitely not the kind Christians would like to own as their own, but you are being dishonest when you claim he was not a Christian at all except for political purposes. You never met the man, never spoke with him, you’ve never had an abilility to make those judgements about the sincerity of his faith. You only dismiss his Christianity because it’s uncomfortable for you to accept it.
        Hitler was not atheist. He was a Christian. A poor one, a lapsed one, one who did horrible atrocities, but a Christian none the less.

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      • No, Hitler was not even a Christian at all. You are wrong. A Christian is not defined by an external ceremony or self-claims. A Christian has to be defined by what the Bible and consistent theology of the Bible says. “lapsed” in Roman Catholic theology means that since he lapsed (left the faith), he eventually went to hell, because he never repented of his millions of mortal sins. Even Roman Catholics would agree with me.

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    • That is ad hominem and incorrect. Hitler should be blamed because he was a jerk and a murderer. Hardly fit to be a social creature whether religious or not. Your narrow perceptions through the lens of faith has confirmation bias and Dunning-Kruger written all over it.

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      • It’s greatly ironic that certain quarters are prepared to paint atheists in very broad, stereotyping caricatures, given that any attempt to (wrongly of course) stereotype members of their faith by the most extreme examples would be met with condemnation by the same certain quarters. Hitler was raised Christian, though there’s no way of knowing just how much he was influenced by his faith. If he was, you can guarantee that certain people – including some on this very site – would insist we don’t use him as an example to apply to the rest. They won’t apply that philosophy equally, which makes them hypocrites.

        As to the original post, what certainty can the faithful offer? They tell us to respect and appreciate God’s will and design, yet have no qualms with an omnipotent, omnipresent being doing absolutely nothing to prevent atrocities like the Holocaust, to say nothing of the ongoing suffering human beings endure every single day.

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      • Well said. Don’t use hitler as an example, but what did god do about it? Crickets…. 🦗 🦗

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      • God did nothing to save or protect His Chosen People. He just sat there and let them die… “Must have been a greater divine plan” bs. The biblical God is a myth.

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  2. He was just a biological machine. He had no free will.

    After all, Hitler was just an Ape who killed other Apes, which is lined up perfectly with the atheistic perspective towards this world and how it works.
    Basically, people who stick to the principles of their belief or views are very rare. Welcome to the world!

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    • Abdullah1234,
      Indeed . . .
      Something that we Christians and Muslims can agree with each other on. The atheists’ naturalistic worldview leads to self-destruction and chaos and political oppressions and aggressive wars / oppressions like Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.

      Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood and radical proponent of abortions and eugenics, based her views on the logic of atheistic naturalistic Darwinian Evolution.

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      • While I welcome this attitude, but to be honest I wouldn’t put muslims with any other religious people in any mean of comparison. Muslims are in a complete different level, and the world knows that about them. In fact, we may say that muslims are the only people who take the responsibly of their faith and bear the consequences of that which are huge mostly.
        In contrast, christians are so hypocrites. Christians wouldn’t hesitate to ally with satan himself as long as it’s against Islam and muslims as you see in the “school” of the clown that you praise. That school even mock muslims in their prays and fast. You have problem with the law of God even that one in your bible. While many christians were not happy with Andy Stanley’ view about the bible, yet in reality most christians are with him virtually.
        I have stated my opinion clearly here:
        https://bloggingtheology2.com/2019/01/05/you-gotta-love-shaykh-abdul-hakim-murad/

        As Qur’an says
        “Say, “O People of the Book, do you resent us except [for the fact] that we have believed in Allah and what was revealed to us and what was revealed before and because most of you are defiantly disobedient?” QT.

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  3. I am not sure I agree with this logic. An atheist could simply argue that if the universe has no creator and that everything exists by chance, then the fact that bad things happen sometimes and there might be no closure for those affected only means that this is the way the world is. It does not make the theistic worldview automatically true. What if we live in a universe with no creator? If that was true, then there really is nothing to say when criminals escape justice and those who are wronged are never compensated. The atheist might simply say that it gives us motivation to work for a better future where such things never happen.

    Of course, I believe there are other ways to refute atheism, but this is not one of them. It can be easily refuted as a non-sequitur.

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    • If that was true, then there really is nothing to say when criminals escape justice and those who are wronged are never compensated. The atheist might simply say that it gives us motivation to work for a better future where such things never happen.

      The problem with that though, is that there is no objective basis for what justice or violation of justice is (criminal actions); nor an objective basis for what is “a better future” (Hitler and other evil racists believe a better future is exterminating the elderly, weak, disabled, deformed, Jews and Gypsies, etc.)

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  4. And christianity is worse. It says that no matter what evil you do, even atrocities like Hitler, it takes is a prayer of repentance to the God who isn’t the one he killed and tortured to secure forgiveness and eternal life in heaven instead of hell which he deserved. Whatever you might think… That is no system of justice at all.

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    • Nope. Being a Christian doesn’t mean you are above being held to account for committing a crime and repentance doesn’t just mean ‘saying a prayer’ it means to acknowledge and strive to change your life for the better but nowhere does the Bible or tradition say that a Christian is above the law because they weren’t a Christian when they committed the crime.

      Romans 13 is all about telling Christians to obey the law of the land (secular or otherwise) as those in power are considered God’s servants, enjoining good and forbidding evil.

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  5. Abdullah1234,
    A true Christian believes in God’s law.

    See 1 Timothy 1:8-11

    8 But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, 9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers 10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, 11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

    Notice that the law can be in harmony with, “according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God”.

    Also, Romans 7:12
    “So then, the law is good, and righteous, and holy.”

    And, as Patrobin wrote, Romans 13 – especially the last half – half of the 10 commandments are quoted.

    The issue is how the law is applied. Is it in order to make us realize we are sinners, and also as a deterrent to criminal activity in society, or is it the way we earn our way into heaven?

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    • ‘A true Christian believes in God’s law.’

      So you believe in the death penalty for blasphemy? Leviticus 24:10–24:16

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    • Not true. I’ve discussed that with you on the old blog.

      No one can apply the law of God ( Paul’s view).
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      The law is good only if it can be applied.
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      The law is not good and defect, which is something stated clearly in Hebrews.

      This is in the matter of salvation.

      The law of God on earth and how we can run this world righteously, christianity doesn’t provide anything virtually. Christians in this matter are “like the whore spreading her legs with increasing promiscuity to anyone who passed by”

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      • Wrong:
        No one can obey God’s law perfectly for earning salvation.

        He never said “no on can apply God’s law”

        We can apply the law and government can apply the law, to come degree, even if people continue to violate it.

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      • //No one can obey God’s law perfectly for earning salvation.//
        Tell that to Jesus not me!
        “There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, (((keep the commandments))).”

        “Whoever keeps the commandment keeps his life; he who despises his ways will die.” Proverbs.

        In contrast, Paul said the commandments give death
        “who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.”

        //He never said “no on can apply God’s law”//
        Good! So we can apply the law of God which leads to death? Or it’s only good if it’s applied correctly?
        It’s Paul’s problem! It’s the sign that it’s a man -made religion. Just admit , Ken. You hate the law of God.

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    • ‘The law of God on earth and how we can run this world righteously, christianity doesn’t provide anything virtually.’

      Indeed

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