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  1. Yes, while Jesus was on earth He prayed to the Father in heaven and called the only true God

    and John 17:5

    Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

    But you cannot use John 17:3 anyway because you don’t think the Gospel of John is true at all.
    And you cannot consistently use passages that call God “Father”, since the Qur’an says “Allah is not a father to any one”, in various ways.

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    • Christians don’t say that (what the cartoon accuses them of saying) anyway – they say:

      “yes, the Father is God; and the eternal Son is also God – see John 17:5, just 2 verses down. Learn to read in context.”

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    • [John17:5] doesn’t negate that the father is the (only) true God. It gives Jesus a very high position, but he’s not the only true God.
      John’s gospel can be used against your belief regardless what we think about it because it doesn’t teach your belief.

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  2. In John 17:3 Jesus (a good devout Jew) is praying to God, a separate being from himself. This seperate Other Jesus addressed as “You, the only true God”. There is no Trinity here. Just monotheism.

    I have heard Christians say literally thousands of times that ‘Jesus is God’.

    John 17:3 and this common Christian belief are clearly incompatible and contradictory.

    Islamic theology makes much more sense.

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    • Jesus while on earth, prayed to God the Father:

      John 17:1-5
      1 Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,

      2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.
      3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.
      5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

      The doctrine of the Trinity is revealed when you take all the verses in context. (along with the other verses about the Holy Spirit)
      Jesus prays that people will come to know the Father, the only true God, and that they may know Jesus Christ, the eternal Son / Word (John 1:1-5; 1:14) whom the Father sent into the world (in order to be incarnated, live a perfect sinless life, die on the cross for our sins as a perfect substitute and ransom, and be raised from the dead.)

      Islamic theology makes no sense in context with these 5 verses all together,(and with the author’s intended meaning of the whole book of John, because Jesus says He was with the Father from all eternity past and that the work of redemption on the cross – “the hour has come” – etc. – was a great work in which the Son was glorified.

      John 12:27-33
      27 “Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify Your name.” Then a voice came out of heaven: “I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29 So the crowd of people who stood by and heard it were saying that it had thundered; others were saying, “An angel has spoken to Him.” 30 Jesus answered and said, “This voice has not come for My sake, but for your sakes. 31 Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.” 33 But He was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which He was to die.

      It is wrong of you to isolate the phrase “the only true God” from the context of the Father and the Son and the work of the cross.

      Islam says God is not a Father – Surah 112, 5:18; 21:26; 19:88-93, so you cannot use John 17:3 in a legitimate manner.

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  3. That illustration LOOOOL

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